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	<title>Comments on: eyeos 2.0 technology preview released to developers</title>
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		<title>By: Daniel Sousa</title>
		<link>http://blog.eyeos.org/en/2009/11/03/eyeos-2-0-technology-preview-released-to-developers/comment-page-1/#comment-10130</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Sousa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 17:15:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please put your feedback and question on the Forums, because it&#039;s easier to track and reply: http://forums.eyeos.org/index.php/board,43.0.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please put your feedback and question on the Forums, because it&#8217;s easier to track and reply: <a href="http://forums.eyeos.org/index.php/board,43.0.html" rel="nofollow">http://forums.eyeos.org/index.php/board,43.0.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Hifzu</title>
		<link>http://blog.eyeos.org/en/2009/11/03/eyeos-2-0-technology-preview-released-to-developers/comment-page-1/#comment-10129</link>
		<dc:creator>Hifzu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 15:25:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Got the developer preview installed on my own box! I&#039;m sure loads of great applications will be developed for eyeOS 2.0 soon! were looking forward to setting up an eyeOS 2 public server as soon as its &#039;ready&#039; for public use.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Got the developer preview installed on my own box! I&#8217;m sure loads of great applications will be developed for eyeOS 2.0 soon! were looking forward to setting up an eyeOS 2 public server as soon as its &#8216;ready&#8217; for public use.</p>
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		<title>By: SirKeldon</title>
		<link>http://blog.eyeos.org/en/2009/11/03/eyeos-2-0-technology-preview-released-to-developers/comment-page-1/#comment-10128</link>
		<dc:creator>SirKeldon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 14:49:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@William, try changing all the permissions, go to the main folder of your eyeos installation and execute &quot;chmod -R 777 .&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@William, try changing all the permissions, go to the main folder of your eyeos installation and execute &#8220;chmod -R 777 .&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: William</title>
		<link>http://blog.eyeos.org/en/2009/11/03/eyeos-2-0-technology-preview-released-to-developers/comment-page-1/#comment-10127</link>
		<dc:creator>William</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 14:13:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a error message after login:

Unable to list files in folder home:///~john/ (or parent).

What is wrong?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a error message after login:</p>
<p>Unable to list files in folder home:///~john/ (or parent).</p>
<p>What is wrong?</p>
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		<title>By: Arjan</title>
		<link>http://blog.eyeos.org/en/2009/11/03/eyeos-2-0-technology-preview-released-to-developers/comment-page-1/#comment-10124</link>
		<dc:creator>Arjan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 10:46:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Lars, it&#039;s fine with me to do everything in the forums, but: wouldn&#039;t one also need a place in the wiki to get the documentation started? A place where people could copy existing 1.x pages as a starting point for new 2.x pages? Somewhere hidden from the regular users who are at 1.x?

(Simple examples: &quot;2.0 faq&quot;, &quot;how to install&quot;, &quot;how to upgrade&quot;, &quot;known issues&quot;, ...?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Lars, it&#8217;s fine with me to do everything in the forums, but: wouldn&#8217;t one also need a place in the wiki to get the documentation started? A place where people could copy existing 1.x pages as a starting point for new 2.x pages? Somewhere hidden from the regular users who are at 1.x?</p>
<p>(Simple examples: &#8220;2.0 faq&#8221;, &#8220;how to install&#8221;, &#8220;how to upgrade&#8221;, &#8220;known issues&#8221;, &#8230;?)</p>
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		<title>By: Nanawel</title>
		<link>http://blog.eyeos.org/en/2009/11/03/eyeos-2-0-technology-preview-released-to-developers/comment-page-1/#comment-10123</link>
		<dc:creator>Nanawel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 10:35:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Hugo: There are two registered users by default on the system: root and john, with passwords root and john respectively. But you have to be sure of two main things before proceeding:
- You must give correct permissions to the eyeos files for your server (basically, chmod -R 777), otherwise the server won&#039;t be able to read the configuration files necessary to login,
- You must fill the right login passwords to your MySQL database in the settings.php, and of course import both scripts to initialize it.

@Skilly: Our objective is to avoid locking eyeos 2.0 into any restrictive definition. The current preview with its configuration doesn&#039;t look like the desktop of eyeos 1.x. But it will possible to change that by configuration in the future. You&#039;ll be able to get your desktop, icons and everything back again from your old web-desktop :)

VERY IMPORTANT REMARK: The current version is almost NOT STYLED AT ALL. Only a few items have what should be the &quot;final skin&quot;. For the rest, it&#039;s just the default appearance from Qooxdoo, but it will be replaced progressively.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Hugo: There are two registered users by default on the system: root and john, with passwords root and john respectively. But you have to be sure of two main things before proceeding:<br />
- You must give correct permissions to the eyeos files for your server (basically, chmod -R 777), otherwise the server won&#8217;t be able to read the configuration files necessary to login,<br />
- You must fill the right login passwords to your MySQL database in the settings.php, and of course import both scripts to initialize it.</p>
<p>@Skilly: Our objective is to avoid locking eyeos 2.0 into any restrictive definition. The current preview with its configuration doesn&#8217;t look like the desktop of eyeos 1.x. But it will possible to change that by configuration in the future. You&#8217;ll be able to get your desktop, icons and everything back again from your old web-desktop <img src='http://blog.eyeos.org/en/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>VERY IMPORTANT REMARK: The current version is almost NOT STYLED AT ALL. Only a few items have what should be the &#8220;final skin&#8221;. For the rest, it&#8217;s just the default appearance from Qooxdoo, but it will be replaced progressively.</p>
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		<title>By: Skilly</title>
		<link>http://blog.eyeos.org/en/2009/11/03/eyeos-2-0-technology-preview-released-to-developers/comment-page-1/#comment-10122</link>
		<dc:creator>Skilly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 08:44:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To be honest 1.x seemed alot more desktop-like, the underlying advancements in 2.x are great, just needs some work on the experience/look imo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be honest 1.x seemed alot more desktop-like, the underlying advancements in 2.x are great, just needs some work on the experience/look imo.</p>
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		<title>By: Hugo</title>
		<link>http://blog.eyeos.org/en/2009/11/03/eyeos-2-0-technology-preview-released-to-developers/comment-page-1/#comment-10120</link>
		<dc:creator>Hugo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 23:18:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What are the login and the password????</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What are the login and the password????</p>
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		<title>By: shomari</title>
		<link>http://blog.eyeos.org/en/2009/11/03/eyeos-2-0-technology-preview-released-to-developers/comment-page-1/#comment-10118</link>
		<dc:creator>shomari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 22:40:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t realize that 2.0 would be a complete re-write.  In just the last few months, I&#039;ve started moving forward with plans to implement eyeOS in my own business and I hope I don&#039;t have to start all over now with 2.0.

Also, I really hope its not too difficult to work with DBs other the MySQL (not my first choice) as well backwards compatibility with the old FS as has been stated in these replies.

@Alex: yes it is very nice to see such grand innovation in a new major build, unlike most companies who just replace a few icons and claim 300% improvement.

Very much looking forward to eyeOS in 2010.
Good luck to everyone from the eyeOS Team ^_^

S.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t realize that 2.0 would be a complete re-write.  In just the last few months, I&#8217;ve started moving forward with plans to implement eyeOS in my own business and I hope I don&#8217;t have to start all over now with 2.0.</p>
<p>Also, I really hope its not too difficult to work with DBs other the MySQL (not my first choice) as well backwards compatibility with the old FS as has been stated in these replies.</p>
<p>@Alex: yes it is very nice to see such grand innovation in a new major build, unlike most companies who just replace a few icons and claim 300% improvement.</p>
<p>Very much looking forward to eyeOS in 2010.<br />
Good luck to everyone from the eyeOS Team ^_^</p>
<p>S.</p>
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		<title>By: John Laverne</title>
		<link>http://blog.eyeos.org/en/2009/11/03/eyeos-2-0-technology-preview-released-to-developers/comment-page-1/#comment-10119</link>
		<dc:creator>John Laverne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 22:40:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So long time I was waiting for such scalable platform ! 

I read the post again and again , and I&#039;m really impress of the solidness  of your technological choices. 

1.x was a nice , a very nice version , but time has changing a lot since 2007 and we are not any more in a time for a &quot;proof o concept&quot;. With all the challenge of the Cloud Computing, we are now in business time, where big organisations need stonger platform, in particular with :
- deeper admin part, 
- especially the UM part which was so basic in 1.x 
- more ability to share stuff between user, 
- a kernel though as a modular part, to be able to tune it, improve it easly 

I forgot more points , I know,  but I focuss on those 4 witch are the 4 big lacks of the 1.x, making it &quot;out of the game&quot; for many big project. Like all other solutions we&#039;ve studied, especially the OSS ones, I must reconize : eyeOS was always the best choice, but not the perfect solution.

I have to admit than the continuing improve of the of 1.x series is really impressiv : what you reach, guys,  with 1.8.7 is quit amazing, thinging what was the 1.0 version ! do you remember it ?

I think you can keep 1.x working, it do a great stuff for simple needs, and it very stable, even under many parallel requests. You will then have 2 range of products for building Clouds : 
-one basic and easy to install (1.x), 
-and a stronger one, more complex to set up but adapted to wide clouds projects (2.x)

anyway I don&#039;t have to give you advice, you&#039;re doing it so well in only 2 years !

we&#039;ll test it this week, deeply and will report bugs. 

congratulations to the dev&#039;team !!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So long time I was waiting for such scalable platform ! </p>
<p>I read the post again and again , and I&#8217;m really impress of the solidness  of your technological choices. </p>
<p>1.x was a nice , a very nice version , but time has changing a lot since 2007 and we are not any more in a time for a &#8220;proof o concept&#8221;. With all the challenge of the Cloud Computing, we are now in business time, where big organisations need stonger platform, in particular with :<br />
- deeper admin part,<br />
- especially the UM part which was so basic in 1.x<br />
- more ability to share stuff between user,<br />
- a kernel though as a modular part, to be able to tune it, improve it easly </p>
<p>I forgot more points , I know,  but I focuss on those 4 witch are the 4 big lacks of the 1.x, making it &#8220;out of the game&#8221; for many big project. Like all other solutions we&#8217;ve studied, especially the OSS ones, I must reconize : eyeOS was always the best choice, but not the perfect solution.</p>
<p>I have to admit than the continuing improve of the of 1.x series is really impressiv : what you reach, guys,  with 1.8.7 is quit amazing, thinging what was the 1.0 version ! do you remember it ?</p>
<p>I think you can keep 1.x working, it do a great stuff for simple needs, and it very stable, even under many parallel requests. You will then have 2 range of products for building Clouds :<br />
-one basic and easy to install (1.x),<br />
-and a stronger one, more complex to set up but adapted to wide clouds projects (2.x)</p>
<p>anyway I don&#8217;t have to give you advice, you&#8217;re doing it so well in only 2 years !</p>
<p>we&#8217;ll test it this week, deeply and will report bugs. </p>
<p>congratulations to the dev&#8217;team !!</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Sousa</title>
		<link>http://blog.eyeos.org/en/2009/11/03/eyeos-2-0-technology-preview-released-to-developers/comment-page-1/#comment-10117</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Sousa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 22:39:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Alex: afaik Skytop doesn&#039;t even sell anything, they are just trying to continue the eyeos 1.x branch</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Alex: afaik Skytop doesn&#8217;t even sell anything, they are just trying to continue the eyeos 1.x branch</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://blog.eyeos.org/en/2009/11/03/eyeos-2-0-technology-preview-released-to-developers/comment-page-1/#comment-10115</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 21:53:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Daniel Sousa: eyeOS  belongs to the eyeOS community. Only the eyeOS community can &quot;continue eyeos 1.x&quot;. Skytop goals seems to be selling hosting plans...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Daniel Sousa: eyeOS  belongs to the eyeOS community. Only the eyeOS community can &#8220;continue eyeos 1.x&#8221;. Skytop goals seems to be selling hosting plans&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://blog.eyeos.org/en/2009/11/03/eyeos-2-0-technology-preview-released-to-developers/comment-page-1/#comment-10114</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 21:51:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Congrats to the whole eyeOS team !

It is so great to see people trying to do always better and always ready to reinvent things ! 

(So much better than people just changing names and themes and unable to invent...).

eyeOS 2.0 is the future !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congrats to the whole eyeOS team !</p>
<p>It is so great to see people trying to do always better and always ready to reinvent things ! </p>
<p>(So much better than people just changing names and themes and unable to invent&#8230;).</p>
<p>eyeOS 2.0 is the future !</p>
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		<title>By: Nanawel</title>
		<link>http://blog.eyeos.org/en/2009/11/03/eyeos-2-0-technology-preview-released-to-developers/comment-page-1/#comment-10113</link>
		<dc:creator>Nanawel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 20:09:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Nicu: The current version uses MySQL that&#039;s true. But as Lars said, almost everything in the system is modular. For practical reasons we chose to use develop and use MySQL modules for some parts (mainly the users management), because it&#039;s faster to design and it&#039;s faster to execute.

Globally the &quot;providers&quot; (as we call them) are totally replaceable. In the current version we&#039;re using: MySQL, SQLite and XML for different parts of the system. It will be 100% possible to use XML only, or SQLite only, or MySQL only. But it&#039;s not possible at the moment because we didn&#039;t have time to code all possible combinations. So for each system part we chose the fastest, but without neglecting the fact that there could be some more in a near future.

I hope my answer will put your mind at rest about this little misunderstanding. Don&#039;t worry, we&#039;re all going to make our best to produce a generic enough eyeos to run only with XML, or SQLite :) But that will simply not be the fastest to run, that&#039;s all.

Stay tuned!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Nicu: The current version uses MySQL that&#8217;s true. But as Lars said, almost everything in the system is modular. For practical reasons we chose to use develop and use MySQL modules for some parts (mainly the users management), because it&#8217;s faster to design and it&#8217;s faster to execute.</p>
<p>Globally the &#8220;providers&#8221; (as we call them) are totally replaceable. In the current version we&#8217;re using: MySQL, SQLite and XML for different parts of the system. It will be 100% possible to use XML only, or SQLite only, or MySQL only. But it&#8217;s not possible at the moment because we didn&#8217;t have time to code all possible combinations. So for each system part we chose the fastest, but without neglecting the fact that there could be some more in a near future.</p>
<p>I hope my answer will put your mind at rest about this little misunderstanding. Don&#8217;t worry, we&#8217;re all going to make our best to produce a generic enough eyeos to run only with XML, or SQLite <img src='http://blog.eyeos.org/en/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  But that will simply not be the fastest to run, that&#8217;s all.</p>
<p>Stay tuned!</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Sousa</title>
		<link>http://blog.eyeos.org/en/2009/11/03/eyeos-2-0-technology-preview-released-to-developers/comment-page-1/#comment-10112</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Sousa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 19:49:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll do an extensive testing and code reading before taking any decision, but I can say that I don&#039;t like what I&#039;ve read on this post.

@lars, those differences are in the first version, Skytop&#039;s goal is to continue eyeos 1.x. You can be sure that there will be more improvements in the next release ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll do an extensive testing and code reading before taking any decision, but I can say that I don&#8217;t like what I&#8217;ve read on this post.</p>
<p>@lars, those differences are in the first version, Skytop&#8217;s goal is to continue eyeos 1.x. You can be sure that there will be more improvements in the next release <img src='http://blog.eyeos.org/en/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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